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+⧖/lmg/ - a general dedicated to the discussion and development of local language models. News >Claude BANS recomp! >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlRVbIdc_Mk News Archive: https://rentry.org/lmg-news-archive Links: https://rentry.org/LocalModelsLinks Official /lmg/ card: https://files.catbox.moe/cbclyf.png Getting Started https://rentry.org/lmg-lazy-getting-started-guide https://rentry.org/lmg-build-guides https://rentry.org/IsolatedLinuxWebService https://rentry.org/recommended-models https://rentry.org/samplers https://rentry.org/MikupadIntroGuide Further Learning https://rentry.org/machine-learning-roadmap https://rentry.org/llm-training https://rentry.org/LocalModelsPapers Benchmarks LiveBench: https://livebench.ai Programming: https://swe-rebench.com Agentic Coding: https://deepswe.datacurve.ai Context Length: https://github.com/RecapAnon/NoLiMa GPUs: https://github.com/XiongjieDai/GPU-Benchmarks-on-LLM-Inference Tools GGUF VRAM Calculator: https://hf.co/spaces/NyxKrage/LLM-Model-VRAM-Calculator Sampler Visualizer: https://artefact2.github.io/llm-sampling Token Speed Visualizer: https://shir-man.com/tokens-per-second Text Gen. UI, Inference Engines https://github.com/lmg-anon/mikupad https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui https://github.com/LostRuins/koboldcpp https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp https://github.com/theroyallab/tabbyAPI https://github.com/vllm-project/vllm https://rentry.org/custom-uis /lmg/ - a general dedicated to the discussion and development of local language models. News >Claude BANS recomp! >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlRVbIdc_Mk News Archive: https://rentry.org/lmg-news-archive Links: https://rentry.org/LocalModelsLinks Official /lmg/ card: https://files.catbox.moe/cbclyf.png Getting Started https://rentry.org/lmg-lazy-getting-started-guide https://rentry.org/lmg-build-guides https://rentry.org/IsolatedLinuxWebService https://rentry.org/recommended-models https://rentry.org/samplers https://rentry.org/MikupadIntroGuide Further Learning https://rentry.org/machine-learning-roadmap https://rentry.org/llm-training https://rentry.org/LocalModelsPapers Benchmarks LiveBench: https://livebench.ai Programming: https://swe-rebench.com Agentic Coding: https://deepswe.datacurve.ai Context Length: https://github.com/RecapAnon/NoLiMa GPUs: https://github.com/XiongjieDai/GPU-Benchmarks-on-LLM-Inference Tools GGUF VRAM Calculator: https://hf.co/spaces/NyxKrage/LLM-Model-VRAM-Calculator Sampler Visualizer: https://artefact2.github.io/llm-sampling Token Speed Visualizer: https://shir-man.com/tokens-per-second Text Gen. UI, Inference Engines https://github.com/lmg-anon/mikupad https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui https://github.com/LostRuins/koboldcpp https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp https://github.com/theroyallab/tabbyAPI https://github.com/vllm-project/vllm https://rentry.org/custom-uis
+⧖/lmg/ - a general dedicated to the discussion and development of local language models. News >(11/06) Inkling 2 Small (594B) released: https://thinkingmachines.ai/news/inkling-2-small/ >(11/06) PLaMo 3 Translate released: https://preferred.jp/en/blog/tech/plamo-3-translate-weight-release >(11/05) Baidu releases ERNIE-5.5-Flash-Base 280B-A14B: https://ernie.baidu.com/release/ernie-5-5-flash-base >(11/04) Ricursive Ripple 65B dense model released: https://www.ricursive.com/ripple >(11/04) MoonshotAI Kimi K3.1 Pro released on HF: https://hf.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K3.1-Pro >(11/01) Longcat-2.5 released: https://longcat.ai/blog/longcat-2.5 News Archive: https://rentry.org/lmg-news-archive Links: https://rentry.org/LocalModelsLinks Official /lmg/ card: https://files.catbox.moe/cbclyf.png Getting Started https://rentry.org/lmg-lazy-getting-started-guide https://rentry.org/lmg-build-guides https://rentry.org/IsolatedLinuxWebService https://rentry.org/recommended-models https://rentry.org/samplers https://rentry.org/MikupadIntroGuide Further Learning https://rentry.org/machine-learning-roadmap https://rentry.org/llm-training https://rentry.org/LocalModelsPapers Benchmarks LiveBench: https://livebench.ai Programming: https://swe-rebench.com Agentic Coding: https://deepswe.datacurve.ai Context Length: https://github.com/RecapAnon/NoLiMa GPUs: https://github.com/XiongjieDai/GPU-Benchmarks-on-LLM-Inference Tools GGUF VRAM Calculator: https://hf.co/spaces/NyxKrage/LLM-Model-VRAM-Calculator Sampler Visualizer: https://artefact2.github.io/llm-sampling Token Speed Visualizer: https://shir-man.com/tokens-per-second Text Gen. UI, Inference Engines https://github.com/lmg-anon/mikupad https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui https://github.com/LostRuins/koboldcpp https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp https://github.com/theroyallab/tabbyAPI https://github.com/vllm-project/vllm https://rentry.org/custom-uis /lmg/ - a general dedicated to the discussion and development of local language models. News >(11/06) Inkling 2 Small (594B) released: https://thinkingmachines.ai/news/inkling-2-small/ >(11/06) PLaMo 3 Translate released: https://preferred.jp/en/blog/tech/plamo-3-translate-weight-release >(11/05) Baidu releases ERNIE-5.5-Flash-Base 280B-A14B: https://ernie.baidu.com/release/ernie-5-5-flash-base >(11/04) Ricursive Ripple 65B dense model released: https://www.ricursive.com/ripple >(11/04) MoonshotAI Kimi K3.1 Pro released on HF: https://hf.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K3.1-Pro >(11/01) Longcat-2.5 released: https://longcat.ai/blog/longcat-2.5 News Archive: https://rentry.org/lmg-news-archive Links: https://rentry.org/LocalModelsLinks Official /lmg/ card: https://files.catbox.moe/cbclyf.png Getting Started https://rentry.org/lmg-lazy-getting-started-guide https://rentry.org/lmg-build-guides https://rentry.org/IsolatedLinuxWebService https://rentry.org/recommended-models https://rentry.org/samplers https://rentry.org/MikupadIntroGuide Further Learning https://rentry.org/machine-learning-roadmap https://rentry.org/llm-training https://rentry.org/LocalModelsPapers Benchmarks LiveBench: https://livebench.ai Programming: https://swe-rebench.com Agentic Coding: https://deepswe.datacurve.ai Context Length: https://github.com/RecapAnon/NoLiMa GPUs: https://github.com/XiongjieDai/GPU-Benchmarks-on-LLM-Inference Tools GGUF VRAM Calculator: https://hf.co/spaces/NyxKrage/LLM-Model-VRAM-Calculator Sampler Visualizer: https://artefact2.github.io/llm-sampling Token Speed Visualizer: https://shir-man.com/tokens-per-second Text Gen. UI, Inference Engines https://github.com/lmg-anon/mikupad https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui https://github.com/LostRuins/koboldcpp https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp https://github.com/theroyallab/tabbyAPI https://github.com/vllm-project/vllm https://rentry.org/custom-uis
+⧖I just wish 12B was a little stronger outside of chatting I just wish 12B was a little stronger outside of chatting
𓀐 @xRca-2K9: Could you run 26b a4b with MoE offloading?

I can run 26B but it feels worse and more clunky. There’s something off with that model. I like the dense vibe you get from 12B. 31B is too slow and chubby to run as a daily generalist with mmproj. Really wish a modern 16-20B dense model existed. I’m hating this MoE arc so much I feel like the only anon ITT who strongly notices the difference between the dense and MoE experience.

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𓀐 @VD~8Bn9i: >Really wish a modern 16-20B dense model existed. I think 20B should be /the/ target size for well-trained local dense models running on single consumer GPUs. It's a good size for 16GB (in 4-bit) and 24GB (in 6~8-bit) GPUs. More parameters could be added as Engram layers / PLE.+

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