Are there any Marxist books or write-ups about the ongoing …

𓀐 @+oReEXDT: >Automation disproves Marx Laughably stupid, but what the LessWrong crowd actually believes is >AI Agents are human beings, which disproves Marx Which is far more retarded because it's also an illiterate take on Marx but also signals you read some ugly pervert's Harry Potter fanfic before you read Capital or any other work of Western philosophy. If you're on LessWrong it's because you saw picrel and decided he was more worth your time than Aristotle, and following that got groomed into some biz…+

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𓀐 @7nsaW9Gd: What the fuck are you babbling about I never mentioned any bison-hunting machines It's just a fact that one guy can be smarter at hunting bison and the other isn't, and thus that guy is more productive and should be rewarded more so that he continues to be extra productive for the good of the community This is what Marx and Engels (pretended?) not to understand, probably because they were useless trust fundie NEETs searching for a theory that explained why they weren't actually useless fucks an…+

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𓀐 @yhpb7B36: Excuse me, did you just suggest the USA isn't dominated by government control? I've attached another maxim from Smith, and it applies just as much today as back then, the apparatus that merchants and masters use to protect their own interests is government. It's always one big club that the normal man ain't a part of.+

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𓀐 @*FDs*Ux4: >their superstructure is completely unaffected by their base Pure delusion. Even the hijab mandate in Iran won't last a generation. >A pre-industrial Muslim society in 1026 and whatever sci fi AI Muslim society exists in 3026 will be the same thing Ok. This is bordering on trolling but I will give you the benefit of doubt because you probably can't tell the difference between authenticity and society wide larp. >The dude thought the world would follow Europe’s example, when it’s clear Europe wa…+

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𓀐 @pfCkd4-6: i'm on fucking drugs right now so listen close. AI is here to stay. AI as means of production. vanguard party. workers control. democratic planning. that's the move. that's the only fucking way we're getting out of this without turning into serfs or biofuel gruel. marx literally wrote about this shit in Capital with machines, just update it. what is an ai model? collective knowledge, dead labor. it's billions of hours of human writing, art, code, and posts. think man OUR collective social labor…+

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𓀐 @ygHf8Wj=: marxism will die out in this century because marxists don't breed+ 1

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𓀐 @4VkZMUTe: They recruit like the gays.+

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𓀐 @B5J?AMv3: >it's totally Capitalists fault! Alienation! Labour! it's getting tiresome+ 1

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𓀐 @o=HoH-mv: >Tiresome Why not let it sink for once, bozo?+

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𓀐 @fN~hhNp+: Watch Daimon Walter's video essay on Skibbity Toilet. It's not just a bit about Marx, it's more to do with Land, but he covers Marx, Kant, Nietzsche and others+

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𓀐 @MRpm_-~R: I have found the only people who talked about tech the most have been right wingers like Heidegger, and Ludwig klages, and anarchists like uncle ted and Jacques Ellul. the question of tech in philosophy seems to be a Marxist blind spot+

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𓀐 @+oReEXDT: >Automation disproves Marx Laughably stupid, but what the LessWrong crowd actually believes is >AI Agents are human beings, which disproves Marx Which is far more retarded because it's also an illiterate take on Marx but also signals you read some ugly pervert's Harry Potter fanfic before you read Capital or any other work of Western philosophy. If you're on LessWrong it's because you saw picrel and decided he was more worth your time than Aristotle, and following that got groomed into some bizarre cult because of Roco's Basilisk o algo.+

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𓀐 @VYF=946-: Chuds and Marxists are really the same, one blame the Jews second Capitalism, for all the shortcomings of their egos+ 1

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𓀐 @pRtkFXr3: I hate most marxists too, anon t. marxist Marx was still right+

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𓀐 @?n~p4VBi: Honestly I doubt it. Looking at demographics Muslims will be a plurality if not outright majority of humans at some point, and Muslims are completely immune to Marxism.+ 1

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𓀐 @kZrb77jS: >Muslims are completely immune to Marxism. If anything, experience has shown that muslims are not immune to capitalism. Which means they will have to face Marxism sooner or later+

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𓀐 @Z=+JfKDd: Are you willing to entertain the idea that Anthropic and their ilk are actually on the way to creating AGI? And if they do, things change so much that our current discussions of capitalism are rendered moot+ 2

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𓀐 @8epU8n*7: It doesn't really seem to add up with the way the technology works. The notion of a conscious, fully autonomous entity capable of ushering in a utopia of abundance while performing any conceivable task without supervision or oversight does not seem particularly consistent with how LLMs actually function or the way they are designed. It may be capable of very impressive results, but it is still dependent on an input and a user prompt, and it lacks a true consciousness or "thinking" to be able to…+

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𓀐 @8epU8n*7: It doesn't really seem to add up with the way the technology works. The notion of a conscious, fully autonomous entity capable of ushering in a utopia of abundance while performing any conceivable task without supervision or oversight does not seem particularly consistent with how LLMs actually function or the way they are designed. It may be capable of very impressive results, but it is still dependent on an input and a user prompt, and it lacks a true consciousness or "thinking" to be able to meaningfully adapt if not already given a prompt or cue by the user to build from. In my view, the real issue lies in questions of ethics and how the technology is deployed by the dominant classes, who already control the means of production. In this context, AI functions as an advanced productive tool, but remains ultimately just one component within the broader spectrum of computing and information technologies that have already impacted the distribution of work and labor opportunity in the West and the prevailing economic disparities between white-collar and blue-collar work, knowledge work/tech work/services vs manual labor and such. Of course, it may further accelerate it, but this has already been an existing trajectory and dialectic. If, hypothetically, such a situation were to result in an abundance sufficient to sustain society indefinitely without the need for productive human labor, liberalism would be compelled either to resort to massive state intervention to regulate access to resources and provide either makework jobs or welfare policy to preserve itself without succumbing to unrest. A compelling alternative from the left would be to proceed with the nationalization and socialization of technological infrastructures so the gains are in the hands fully of the worker and the technology is utilized in a manner to benefit the nation state/government. If it were to reach such a stage, such technologies would become a threat comparable to military-grade weaponry or telecommunications infrastructure. The oligarchy might, and in all likelihood will, attempt to exploit this situation to further concentrate wealth. However, such a move would inevitably trigger uprisings and destabilization. Furthermore, given that hierarchy derives part of its value from comparisons with others and the capacity to exercise power, the absence of underlings would strip the power and wealth of the elites of any relative value.+

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𓀐 @qq=ytGsY: During the Soviet days there was a book called "Cybernetics in Service of Communism" that caused quite a stir for a while in the '60s, but then was suppressed. I've never been able to find a copy, even in Russian.+

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𓀐 @Sdv*iV9N: Qatar is literally an Islamist monarchy which enforces strict gender norms and is able to aggressively enforce Arab and Islamic culture within its borders. Capitalism had zero impact on it.+

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𓀐 @7nsaW9Gd: What the fuck are you babbling about I never mentioned any bison-hunting machines It's just a fact that one guy can be smarter at hunting bison and the other isn't, and thus that guy is more productive and should be rewarded more so that he continues to be extra productive for the good of the community This is what Marx and Engels (pretended?) not to understand, probably because they were useless trust fundie NEETs searching for a theory that explained why they weren't actually useless fucks and they were actually being cheated out of their rightful inheritance >The two bisons caught >now have the same value as the one before Bison shit Two bison can feed more people than one bison, that's just pure physics >which you can't if the markets are saturated So capitalism's worst failing is that it's too abundantly prosperous? Sufferingfromsuccess.jpg Only a retarded fucking Commie would try to convince you that food shortages are ackshually a feature not a bug+

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𓀐 @yTe43mMy: >pre-capitalism OH!!! "not my spechul type of capitalism!" It was never true capitalism. What I mean is that these filthy rich "Islamic" nations did what any and EVERY filthy rich people do enforced sick "gender norms" Sex slavery is a thing that follows capital, or money, gold, riches. "Islamic monarchy" to only a handful of rich scum. Jailers. You don't know who controls wages?+

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𓀐 @cH~8R+8K: Read The Fragment on Machines, Marx's Capital (especially the sections on machinery and relative surplus value), Nick Dyer-Witheford's Cyber-Marx, and Aaron Bastani's Fully Automated Luxury Communism. Also look into Paul Mason's Postcapitalism, Srnicek's Platform Capitalism, and the autonomist Marxist tradition, especially the work of Antonio Negri and the concept of the general intellect. Matteo Pasquinelli's The Eye of the Master is particularly relevant for understanding how AI emerges from the historical organization and abstraction of human labor rather than simply appearing as some autonomous technological miracle. BUT the crucial thing is that AI exposes a contradiction that a lot of contemporary leftists seem almost pathologically incapable of confronting - the abolition of necessary human labor should be the POINT. We need to become more than our placement in the marketplace and reconnect with our own authentic identities and selves outside of a job. Not the preservation of wage labor as some sacred institution that must survive technological development indefinitely. The objective should be thinking bigger. The genuinely radical horizon is POST-LABOR. Not necessarily the literal disappearance of all human work, but the abolition of compulsory wage labor as the organizing principle of social existence. AI potentially makes that more materially conceivable, while simultaneously making the concentration of economic power catastrophically worse if existing property relations remain intact. The dialectic will inevitably respond. The fundamental antagonism is increasingly between the social character of intelligence production and the private ownership of the infrastructure through which that intelligence is deployed. AI models are trained on collective human cultural production and maintained through enormous networks of material and intellectual labor. Meanwhile the infrastructure and profit is concentrated in a handful of corporations. The technology is not inherently capitalist. Its ownership and deployment are political-economic questions. Open-source models, public ownership of the infrastructure, and universal access to increasingly automated productive capacity are vastly more interesting emancipatory projects than either corporate accelerationism or reflexive anti-technology Luddism.+

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𓀐 @*FDs*Ux4: >their superstructure is completely unaffected by their base Pure delusion. Even the hijab mandate in Iran won't last a generation. >A pre-industrial Muslim society in 1026 and whatever sci fi AI Muslim society exists in 3026 will be the same thing Ok. This is bordering on trolling but I will give you the benefit of doubt because you probably can't tell the difference between authenticity and society wide larp. >The dude thought the world would follow Europe’s example, when it’s clear Europe was an outlier. Every single place on the planet that has been touched by capitalist labour relations, has experienced some form of socialist action. You may claim that Marx was wrong about it in current world but you'd have to take a postmodernism lense for it. Which would again turn Islam into another privatised alienated larp of post structural capitalism. Much like the tradcath trend. White guys on this board converting to Islam is a good example.+

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𓀐 @dJGrdC=W: Now that the dust has settled. Which one spoke the truth?+

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𓀐 @ggMHkVf+: And this is where AI can come in possibly, we use the AI to solve the calculation problem+

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𓀐 @bpPDU+aW: That's all well and good, but incentives and risk can't be eliminated. The game and market logic is unavoidable. When people don't have the drive to actually cultivate some kind of excellence, they just look for an ideology that promises to drag everyone down to the same level. It's way easier to say that history is just a long list of grievances than to actually deal with how insignificant you are in the grand scheme of things.+

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𓀐 @F?cEzvin: today's "didnt read the book" award goes to you+

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𓀐 @pfCkd4-6: i'm on fucking drugs right now so listen close. AI is here to stay. AI as means of production. vanguard party. workers control. democratic planning. that's the move. that's the only fucking way we're getting out of this without turning into serfs or biofuel gruel. marx literally wrote about this shit in Capital with machines, just update it. what is an ai model? collective knowledge, dead labor. it's billions of hours of human writing, art, code, and posts. think man OUR collective social labor running on GPU clusters in data centers owned by a clique of parasitic bourgeois PEDOPHILE KIKE freaks (zucc dario musk altman thiel etc). AI right now is a symptom of our ruling class of amoral shitbags. but it doesn't have to be. the servers, chips, grid, data, body - that's the factory now. everything is capable of being replaced. they destroyed your nation and identity so they could destroy your self outside your labor, and now they will destroy your labor too, the final kill. no dignity, no ownership over your own brain or creativity. the whole game now is ownership. the people who control the infrastructure get to dictate the terms of production. AI can lower the cost of food, housing, medicine, and education in theory but only if harnessed by a pro-social agenda. that's why we need a vanguard party. the working class is divided, distracted, and outorganized by capital. we need a disciplined communist party (yes, communism. unapologetic. USSR. AI gives us the tool to correct the old mistakes) that understands the actual material realities of AI and fights for democratic control of the means of production. not a wet dream where “the market” decides but a worker-led serious vanguard where the direction of technological development is set by social need. we need public ownership and democratic planning of strategic AI infrastructure. this is all class politics. and full on anti-ai banning is silly, vilification of open-source benefits the biggest incumbents and broligarchs by locking in the current system. the goal is to use AI to shorten the workday, eliminate drudgery, expand public services, and guarantee that automation raises everyone's living standard while preserving a floor. if a model can help people find apartments, explain complexities, cure diseases, translate languages, and build housing, then those gains should be universal. period. tax, seize, nationalize the AI monopolies, make their models and infrastructure publicly accessible, and redirect the gains toward universal dividends, social security, public healthcare, free education, housing, and worker co-ops. automated companies should be required to share ownership with the workers whose jobs are transformed. state job guarantees. the people creating the value maintain their surplus value.+

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