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Was it a foregone conclusion that Japanese expansionism and their hunger for resources would lead them into attacking the Allied Powers and the United States? How strong were the voices in the government and military who were opposed to it? Why weren't they listened to? Even without hindsight surely they were already far too involved in the Chinese invasion to take the catastrophic risk of opening up the war elsewhere, they knew not to provoke the Soviets for example. I understand that France a…

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𓀐 @Th5ap6b6: The japanese military were entirely captured by the Bushido code, which ment death before dis-izzat. They would not backdown and withdraw from china, they also killed liberal politicians who wanted peace. The US fleet had been sent to Pearl habour due to Americas adherence to Plan yellow, an 1890s plan which predicted war with japanesse samurai.+

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𓀐 @QvfyANMs: It wasn’t inevitable. No oil embargo, no war. Without it Japan likely would’ve remained laser-focused on the guagmire in China, maybe attack the Soviets if the opportunity arises but it’s a stretch.+ 1

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𓀐 @5qqG2LeP: Japan still would have invaded Southeast Asia. The IJN was arguing for a strike south strategy well before the embargo and the war in China had long since stagnated prior to the embargo as well, giving more weight to their strategy with them having gained more influence. Japan invading Southeast Asia means war with the Allies.+

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𓀐 @S*9eiZcF: The US slapped a full embargo on Japan, seized all of their assets, and demanded they withdraw 100% from China. War was a certainty. Now, if the US had been less aggressive, played hot and cold, war might have been avoided or at least delayed a year or more, when the US would be in a much stronger position. But FDR was a warmonger and a diplomatic dullard, so...+ 2

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𓀐 @zZTo*6Tb: What right does Japan have to unjustly demmand resources and land from soverign nation territory?+

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𓀐 @KM~+-=NT: Aggressive is when you stop selling stuff to the country holding POW beheading competitions.+

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𓀐 @kW44~vzw: Japan needed oil for bomber planes, tanks and trucks not just warships. The US embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina in 1940, which the US correctly suspected was Japan activating its war plan to conquer all of Southeast Asia including the US held Philippines. Japan was not embargoed for attacking China, stop spreading that bullshit. The US embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina in 1940 which the US correctly suspected was part of a Japanese plan to conquer all of Southeast Asia,…+ 1

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𓀐 @Fj4fv6e7: It was still stupid diplomacy to provoke war with Japan by putting unacceptable terms on them. War was certain then.+

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𓀐 @92rEpgF2: have you ever played a strategy game where your opponent/rival was getting more powerful by the day and the gap was ever widening between you its a very uncomfy positon since you are desperate for a chance to close that gap or turn it out you are itching but you also know RIGHT NOW, you will lose, but in the foreseeable future you will also lose, so right now is your best bet (because something happened somewhere else, so you try your best) its geopolitics whereever you are not, your rival will…+

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𓀐 @r??4SLq*: No, the US had in the 19th century made it military policy to never land an army on the Asian continent. FDR, being a diplomatic and military dullard, ignored all that.+

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𓀐 @~LUFj?6-: >Every high-ranking Japanese officer or important person you read about thought that attacking America was insane- and in the long-term they were fucked if they didn't pull a quick victory. If everyone thought it was insane, why did they at least not try to consolidate their position first than open up another front? Both Germany and Japan did the same mistake by dong so and invariabky cost them the war.+ 1

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𓀐 @heJg9Wqy: Nothing to consolidate after the US seized their assets and fully embargoed them. FDR forced them to war.+

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𓀐 @KfK3kbhj: Japan both provoked the US first and attacked the US first. Thus Japan started the war.+

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𓀐 @JGBKH7vp: What right does warmonger FDR have to be the international police?+

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𓀐 @gkrD56YQ: You do realize that was after Japan invaded Indochina, joined the Axis, and established the strike south doctrine to invade the Philippines, right? That is to say, only after years of Japanese antagonism and refusal to negotiate.+

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𓀐 @k9fkWehZ: >How strong were the voices in the government and military who were opposed to it? Many in the Imperial cabinet were wary of the prospects of the Pacific War, and knew they couldn't win a war with the Allies outright. The expectation was that they would be cowed into accepting a settlement where they would abandon Asia in favor of focusing on Europe after occupying enough territory. When the war began and this did not happen, all they could do was shrug until 1945. >maybe attack the Soviets if…+ 1

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𓀐 @8nsnJs6_: >he was agitating for war with Japan Oh yes, he was. You should look for the report he solicited, listing all the ways he could get a war with Japan, while making them fire first if possible. Despicable.+

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𓀐 @cnNEPZSQ: Nope, still unresponsive. FDR's warmongering goes unexplained, then.+

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𓀐 @_xnk5tkd: >Japanese expansionism and their hunger for resources no such thing, Japan was following the status quo set by Britain and the United States. How can someone call the British invasions and Colonization of China anything but expansionism? How can someone call the American invasion and occupation the Philippines anything but naked conquest and expansionism? Britain and The United States began losing poker chips to Japan then declared Poker illegal and Bridge was the only acceptable game. how is t…+

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